June 23, 2006
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well... i finally got the letter to Bishop Councell written.... i was pleased with it, mostly, but think that i could have expanded more on what my main topic was if i had not had the preamble....
"In Sunday School, my class for 7th and 8th graders, we discussed the Feast of Pentecost. Although I am confident they had heard the story before, the students seemed unsure when I asked them about the events of that day, so long ago. And so, we went over that story, familiar to me but fresh to them, and they were surprised to realize that there was a connection between the resurrection of Jesus, and the 'what came next' (their words) of Pentecost. They had never made the connectioin between the physical death of Jesus and the birth of the Church. One of the students said she had always wondered what had come after Easter, and so we talked about the book of Acts.
This has made me wonder, however, about the disconnect. Bishop Spong, in answering a question posed to him via email, qna@johnshelbyspong.com , gave me a clue. Although the question asked of him, 'So it seems you're pointing to a global movement or alliance distinct from Christianity that is too exclusive. Will it have a name?', is a little of point, the Bishop's response seems à propos, 'I must be a 21st century Christian. That means I have to force my Christian faith into the thought forms dictated by the 21st century... I draw a distinction betwen the experience of God and the explanation of that experience. The experience of God is, I beleive, both real and timeless. The explanation of that experience, however, is always time bound and time warped. Explanations, because they are always wedded to their time will also inevitably die. That should be expected.'
It is not that the students were not taught about Pentecost; it was that they could not hear. We need to be less afraid that our faith will not withstand a change in perspective -- when we discuss the Creation in my class, we discuss it in terms of the Big Bang, but there is never any question about the identity of the Creator. I do take issue with Bishop Spong's assertion that one's faith must change, but i do concur that the expression of that faith must become more relevant, in discourse if not in worship."
that's the letter. since Bishop Spong is very controversial in the Episcopal church, and since i admitted to teaching Christianity explained through science, we'll see what Bishop Councell has to say about that .... *sigh* and sweet_acid_rain, that's about as close to poking a bishop with a stick as i would like to come....
Comments (6)
Zucchinis....hehehe.
I wanted both of them there hoping they wouldn't act like little kids....alas...my da's mother is a psycho. I love them....I don't like them.
That letter was really well written. I enjoyed reading it.....you did a marvelous job for a procrastinator. haha. HAH! I got a mention in your post!!!! I just realized that. Thats frickin awesome. Thanks.
While I see your point, I think all of the talk about the difficulty surviving as a family on minimum wage is the weakest argument for an increase...
The truth is, minimum wage was never intended to be a protection from poverty or a very difficult life. Minimum wage is intended to protect people from exploitation... Realistically, a person must work 2 40 hr/wk. jobs on the current minimum wage just to barely survive. I have no problem with a person who only makes minmum wage having to work 60 hr/wk to survive. My problem is that I do believe these people should have the possibility for upward mobility. Benefits and education provide for this upward mobility.
And on the issue of not being able to afford copays... The only way to do away with copays for insurance is full government responsibility for paying for medical care. I'm not 100% sure I agree with this approach, and it would be virtually impossible to get our government to agree to such a proposal. Like many others, I am not totally comfortable with having a larger government in control of more of our lives...
Thanks for your comment.
1. I changed my background, you were absolutely right. I think I will finally stick with what I have now - Ugh, programming ...
2. We will have to just disagree on God's gender
3. I am female and an ordained minister and it really erks me when organized religion will not acknowledge gifts from God. They are really missing out on your gifts.
4. Only God knows the heart. We are called to judge the fruits but that is not judging the person.
5. I am setting a forum up just for the purpose of allowing people to ask about God - in the way they want to. That seems to be one of the biggest turn offs for young people especially is that those they ask get all judgemental even at the question and leave the one asking more in the dark then they started. I want to have people trust me and know that maybe we won't agree ...as already me and you don't on everything but at least we can talk. So what if I don't have all of your beliefs. You don't have mine. That's fair and a reasonable and actually fun part of life.
6. You may want to revisit now that you can actually read the responses. I hate to have to highlight anything myself so I know it is annoying to others. I just can't stand plain colors. Personal problem I guess.
Feel free to stop by and speak your mind, agitate me from my rut, stir up the conversation, make suggestions, whatever. You are always welcome :sunny:
ASIDE OF BEING TO REALISTIC TO BE OPTIMISITC AND OCCASIONALLY HONEST TO A FAULT I RARELY AM DOWN. AND ONCE THERE I BOUNCE BACK ALMOST INSTANTLY. LIFES TO SHORT TO BE PISSED OR SAD ALL THE TIME. FEELINGS ARE TEMPORARY REACTIONS TO A CIRCUMSTANCE. REALIZING WHAT YOU FEEL MAKES IT SO EASY TO MOVE PAST IT.
:love: Thank you for the post and visiting my site. I'm glad you like the poem. I agree with your comment that women are sometimes more sensitive to how precious each life is.
TODAY I GOT YOUR EMAIL, I THANK YOU FOR SENDING TO MY EMAIL INSTEAD OF POSTING IT ON HERE, SHOWS SOME COMAPASSION. IF YOUD LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF A GENERAL IDEA ON WHY I LEFT CHRISTIANITY YOU CAN CHECK OUT MY POST FROM MAY 22 OF 2006. IT IS SORT OF PERSONAL, BUT I THINK IT IS THE MOST I HAVE BEEN ABOUT IT. TOMMAROW IM GOING TO DO A POST THAT SORT OF SUMS UP WHERE AM I NOW IN MY JOURNEY THROUGH LIFE (AS INSPIRED BY BOKENETTE). IN IT I WILL INCLUDE SOMETHINGS ABOUT WHEN I TURNED MY BACK ON THE CHURCH. MAYBE IT WILL BE MORE SPECIFIC.
THANKS AND PEACE
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